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Nutrition & Diet Which Countries Eat The Most Meat

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by shyvas, Feb 4, 2019.

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  1. shyvas

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  2. Val

    Val Extraterrestrial

    Aha, "The telegraph" says that the first 5 places in meat-eating countries rating occupy the folowing ones: USA, Kuwait, Australia, The Bahamas and Luxembourg. From what i heard on national NZ radio stations,- meat consumption is still very high there too. But Russia... Very soon it will be leading the rating. At least, Russians also share the world league table for dying of heart attacks and coronary disease, which is so sad.
    Actually, most countries of former USSR are the paradise for meat eaters. E.g. Kazakhstan, Uzbekhistan, Tadjikistan, Azerbaijan, Kyrgizstan, etc. And Mongolia, of course. We have been to republic of Tatarstan, and it looks like a different country sometimes. Tatarians are obsessed with their meat, and god save you from telling them anything about veganism.:D
     
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  3. shyvas

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    I have read about the life expectancy rate in Russia in an article. It stated that it was due to the very high
    levels of alcohol consumption.
     
  4. Val

    Val Extraterrestrial

    Yeah, i'm aware of that myth (common in the US and in Europe): everybody in Russia drinks vodka on any occasion, even kids, lol.:p Well, seriously, we drink approximately as much as other European countries, but(!) life expectancy is so low because of widespread extremely unhealthy diet.:tinfoilhat: Remember, i told you the average list of New Year treats, gently loved by Russians? (No wonder, that after the holidays, which are abundant over here, there is the largest amount of heart-disease-related deaths, plus people die of various exacerbations of their chronic diseases (initially caused by greasy food consumption, as a rule). It's a fact that in Finland, e.g., in 70s-80s, the population was quite unhealthy, but during the few past decades the situation has changed dramatically, - they started eating consciously (most of them), and life expectancy has increased. ...What about those who attempt to lead a vegan lifestyle in Russia, - it's needless to say that in most cases, it is perceived as a mental disorder threatening the society.:sigh:
     
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  5. shyvas

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    When you say an unhealthy diet, how would you describe a typical meal during the course of the day ? Over here people eat a lot of meat, dairy and saturated fat and yet the life expectancy is high. Moreover, the French have less coronary diseased compared to other European countries.
    In the North and North East of France where the life expectancy is lower than the national average, it's due to alcohol and tobacco consumption.
     
  6. Val

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    Well, 1) most people can't afford meat of good quality,- during their whole lives they eat, as we call it, "sausages/bologna out of paper". 2) They are not educated about the impact that diet has on human's health. As my co-worker Annie said: "A my nje zamorachivajemsya" ("We don't give a s***!"). What can you expect from "proletarian" people, if even more clever and educated people have no idea why one should eat fiber, avoid this, avoid that, blah, blah, blah . People around here eat lots of cheap processed(!) meat and then "treat" their high blood pressure with drugs. They still think that the most valuable food's feature is satiety and that only rich can afford eating plant-based. As everywhere in the world, there are plenty of malicious myths circulating in society,- most of them are supported by social media, on behalf of meat and dairy industries. 3) If they drink alcohol, they don't buy expensive good quality wine, as you can guess. Plus (we have to admit it), russians are not familiar with a saying "Everything in moderation". 4) You will never (ever!) hear from a doctor that you need to change your diet towards plant-based food, high in fiber. Vice-versa, e.g. my so-called dumb gastroenterologist(!) was drilling my brain, demanding that i should start eating meat immediately. This leads us to point 4) Health care is officially free, but if you get sick, you may die because of doctors' ignorance. It nearly happened to me several(!) times. Would you trust a doctor (i've dealt with many!), who prescripts omeprazol (proton pump inhibitor:eek:) to a patient with extremely low acidity??? If i trusted any doctors, i would have been dead a long time ago.:p
    There are many unhealthy "national" foods, loved by Russians. These foods have replaced older, healthier plant-based foods. From the ancient times, hard and simple life of russian peasants has found its reflection in proverbs. The most popular (and true!) is "Schee da kasha - pischa nasha" ("Cabbage soup and porridge is our food"). Before Peter the great came, russians had been almost vegetarians. Despite that peasants were literally slaves, they still were healthier than the nobles, whose most common disease was podagra.:D
    Btw, i like THIS resource and advise it to everyone who is somewhat curious about russian culture and mentality. (An ultimate list of russian proverbs with translation into English and literal translation);). Here it is:
    Russian Proverbs and Sayings - With English Translation
    P.S... Speaking about decreasing of life expectancy among even heavy drinkers and heavy smokers (and i've known some),- this is so sad, but many drunkards live longer than those who never smoked, never drank a drop, and then died of cancer (suddenly!, as our great doctors say). Ignorance... on both ends.:sigh: :fp: :pout:
     
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  7. shyvas

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    Everyone knows at least someone who has been a heavy smoker and drinker and who has lived a long life. These people are the exception. Within my own family, every member who was a heavy smoker has died of cancer at a relatively young age.

    I have spoken with a few cardiologists and lung specialists and they all have agreed that heavy smoking and drinking reduces one's life span. However, some unlucky people die of lung cancer and they have never smoked. It's also due to the pollution and also bad luck.
     
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  8. Val

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    Yes, my dad died of cancer when he was 1 month to 60. And my acquaintances, who were helping me to treat him (very successfully, btw) told me that considering his life-long anamnesis, it's obvious that all his troubles had been caused not by radiation (he used to be a defectoscopist), but they were caused by cadmium that accumulated in his brain and then was poisoning the systems through the hematoencephalic barrier. As you can guess, that cadmium he had got from tabacco.:hmm: But i was talking about the other thing: the major part of Russians who died of cancer, heart attack, stroke, etc., etc, hadn't been drinkers or smokers at all. I'm not saying that we don't have alcoholism and smoking issues though. It's a real problem, but it's not the main cause of death in Russia.:sigh:
     
  9. shyvas

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    After circulatory diseases and cancer, respiratory diseases were the third most common cause of death
    in the EU-28, with an average of 88 deaths per 100 000 inhabitants in 2015. Within this group of diseases, chronic lower
    respiratorydiseases were the most common cause of mortality followed by pneumonia.

    Heart disease and cancer remains the top illnesses related to death.

    Causes of death statistics - Statistics Explained
     
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  10. Val

    Val Extraterrestrial

    Aha, that's why when i began to suspect that i have COPD, i panicked and started searching for the solution.:eek: I'm glad i have found some (there's still a lot to do though).:apple:
     
  11. shyvas

    shyvas Deity Forum Moderator

    So much progress has been made for many illnesses.
     
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  12. Val

    Val Extraterrestrial

    I came to a conclusion that i need to treat my COPD (a.k.a. lung wheezing, the feeling of "water in lungs", cough and shortening of breath) with a "tricky" combination of turmeric powder, black ground pepper and amla powder. Altogether, they work very well, and i have achieved good results of which i couldn't have dreamt for many years (i've been suffering from all these symptoms for many years, and they were getting worse). Eventually i got tired of it and decided that i have to do something. I still need to do more "research" on the subject (though it seems to me that i have read all possible articles about COPD, including the info from the COPD assocuation resource). I just can't stand this condition anymore.:yuck: And for the very first time i can take a deep breath.:woo: :clp: This situation (like all other ones) is called "Help yourself".:sigh:
     
  13. shyvas

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    Do you think that you got it from smoking ?
     
  14. Val

    Val Extraterrestrial

    Eeeh?:???: I've never smoked... But as a kid, and later (sometimes), i was breathing smoke a lot. And everybody knows that passive smoking can kill either...:sigh: Plus, this wet swampy climate really kills.:cthulhu: I'm not unique: people in the North-West (where we are) complain that they are suffering of lung problems.:hmm:
     
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  15. shyvas

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    I see. Second hand smoking also leads to COPD.
     
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  16. Val

    Val Extraterrestrial

    P.S... Have been annoyed by the new seizure of wheezing yesterday.:hurl: So, i took an "elephant" doze of acethylcysteine, which helped (for now). Before going for a walk i'll drink some more of it, and i decided to buy some more acethylcysteine at Spar grocer, though i'm running out of money.:tinfoilhat: After the walk i'm determined to drink up my tricky combination of turmetic, pepper and amla. To be honest, it's super disgusting,:yuck: but it helps, and i have to.:sheep:
     
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