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UK News Brexit - should the UK leave the EU?

Mischief

Stranger in a strange land
Have Brexit supporters told you to get lost yet?

The loudest Brexit supporters seem to be racist and xenophobic scum.
I doubt it. IS is lily white and speaks with a Scandinavian accent. He's not going to be told to "get out" by anyone who can distinguish a Scandinavian accent from a Polish one.
 

Mischief

Stranger in a strange land
Something that bothers me with the stuff I've seen posted online (typically FB) by frustrated Remain-supporters in the aftermath of the referendum is the insinuation or outright accusation that Brexit-supporters are either racists or too stupid to know their own best interests, or probably both, end of story.
I have to say that the lack of comprehension of just the most basic aspects of the financial repercussions which Brexit supporters have shown supports this theory.
 

Mischief

Stranger in a strange land
The people at the bottom have little to lose compared to those who have so much they can afford to gamble it on stocks.
The pension funds of unions and other organizations are invested in the stock market, as are the retirement savings of pretty much everyone who has a retirement plan. Here in the U.S., you are pretty much screwed if you don't have retirement savings, because Social Security retirement payments are not sufficient.

Large swathes of people have seen their ability to retire and/or to live out their old age in something other than abject poverty go up in smoke when the funds in which their savings are invested tank.

Blue collar workers, clerical workers, low level managers and others in the "working class" are the ones most affected, because even when the market does well, they have barely enough put by to manage at or near the poverty line.
 

Mischief

Stranger in a strange land
I find it interesting that the only people supporting Brexit here in the forum seem to be a Scandinavian immigrant to the UK and a UK expat living in Europe ;-)


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I too have been mulling over the irony of that.
 
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Moll Flanders

Guest
I personally think both the right and the left in the UK are guilty of being out of touch and talking about the working class (and poorer people) instead of engaging with them and trying to create more aspiration. Clearly, at the moment some working-class people are scapegoating immigrants for problems that they are not responsible for, as well as failing in raising their children to achieve. I think we should be looking at it in a positive light and trying to improve the level of education and skills of kids (and adults that might have missed out) in the more deprived working class areas instead of being satisfied with keeping them in their place.

Give white working-class children extra English help to catch up, report says | Education | The Guardian
 

Indian Summer

Cult Leader
Administrator
I doubt it. IS is lily white and speaks with a Scandinavian accent. He's not going to be told to "get out" by anyone who can distinguish a Scandinavian accent from a Polish one.
I have a feeling the difference between a Scandinavian and a Polish accent is going to be too subtle in most cases to the average openly racist person ...
 

AeryFairy

Anachronism
Location
Manchester, UK
I have a feeling the difference between a Scandinavian and a Polish accent is going to be too subtle in most cases to the average openly racist person ...
I was thinking the same thing :p

Really hoping that you don't experience anything like what's in the post above. It's absolutely shameful behaviour. I'll certainly be calling it out if I witness any of it, and I can only hope that it's short lived.
 

Joe

Celebrity Member
I wonder if anyone in this thread can explain two things to me. First, does the UK Parliament have to pass any laws to implement Brexit? Or was the referendum all that was needed? Second, what is the function of the petition to have a second referendum on the issue? How many times can the same issue be voted on?
 

AeryFairy

Anachronism
Location
Manchester, UK
I wonder if anyone in this thread can explain two things to me. First, does the UK Parliament have to pass any laws to implement Brexit? Or was the referendum all that was needed? Second, what is the function of the petition to have a second referendum on the issue? How many times can the same issue be voted on?
The government - or, more specifically, the Prime Minister - has to enact Article 50 . This is why the current PM has resigned - so that he does not have to trigger it. It will be the responsibility of the new Prime Minister & their government to decide whether or not to go ahead.

However! The referendum was not in any way legally binding. It was purely advisory. The government can choose to enact it, ignore it, or take further advisement - hence the call from some for a second referendum.
 

Joe

Celebrity Member
The government - or, more specifically, the Prime Minister - has to enact Article 50 . This is why the current PM has resigned - so that he does not have to trigger it. It will be the responsibility of the new Prime Minister & their government to decide whether or not to go ahead.
Thank you for explaining that. :)

However! The referendum was not in any way legally binding. It was purely advisory. The government can choose to enact it, ignore it, or take further advisement - hence the call from some for a second referendum.
Thank you for clarifying that, too.
 

Mischief

Stranger in a strange land
Is this really "the most popular politician in Britain", as the papers here in the U.S. describe him?



He has more than a passing resemblance to Trump.
 

AeryFairy

Anachronism
Location
Manchester, UK
Is this really "the most popular politician in Britain", as the papers here in the U.S. describe him?

He has more than a passing resemblance to Trump.
Not in my books! But he has his supporters.

He's the former Mayor of London, and many people think he will be David Cameron's successor as leader of the Conservative party and Prime Minister. It's quite likely that will be the case.
 

Joe

Celebrity Member
Not in my books! But he has his supporters.

He's the former Mayor of London, and many people think he will be David Cameron's successor as leader of the Conservative party and Prime Minister. It's quite likely that will be the case.
What is his name, please?
 
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Moll Flanders

Guest


Boris Johnson is (or maybe used to be!) very popular as he acts like a buffoon for the media, despite being very intelligent and calculating IMO. He was voted in as London mayor twice, despite the fact that London is very Labour leaning so that explains how popular he was. He used to present a comedy political programme called Have I got News for You and he got a lot of fame from that.

ETA - I have to admit that he does make me laugh at times. Once he went on a zipline carrying flags and got stuck half way.

 
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